Nothing

Again I have given Kay and Dave Elson time to replay to my emails before I posted them on this page. A chance to show they are acting ethically and trying to resolve this situation. Surprise, surprise they have not taken the opportunity to do so. In fact they have done the opposite of that. They have refused to reply. This leaves me no other option but to start legal action.

This is what Kay Elson has wanted all along, that is why she refused to reply in December 2021 unless I engaged a solicitor. She has wanted to back me into this corner as soon as she could. She knows that legal proceeding will cost around $80,000 each in legal fee. She knows I don’t have that sort of money, she is banking on me having to walk away from what I own and just leave it to them. She is banking on me breaking mentally and not being able to handle the pain this is causing.

This is how a Sociopath operates, they back you into a corner that they believe gives you no other option but to bend to their will. They shut down all the lines of communication leaving you no other option. They don’t consider what’s right by rules of business, nor due they care about what’s right by law, and they certainly don’t care what’s right morally. They believe they are above all these things. They are solely focused on what they want and what they can do to get it.

Remember the email that I was not allowed to show you? Well here is the Email I sent and I will let it speak for itself.

Contact Person: Edward Elson

Direct e-mail:

Our Ref: EE007

Your Ref: CAD:JPP:2200032

BY EMAIL;

Jason Papoutsis

Potts Lawyers

Gold Coast office

11/02/2022

Matter: Your Clients David Elson and Selma Elson

Re: Domestic and Family Violence, Defamation

Dear Mr Papoutsis

Please be advised that this is a domestic and family violence situation. This has been recorded by my psychiatrist, psychologist, domestic abuse councillors and the Jimboomba police. There has been physical abuse, emotional abuse and financial abuse over many years. I have a long recorded medical history showing the effects of your clients abuse including PTSD. I believe that your clients have engaged your services to threaten, menace and harass me so as to further financially abuse me. As I am representing myself I ask that you and Potts Lawyers act ethically as to not further their abuse during our correspondence.

Defamatory Publications

The website kayelsondaveelsonabuse.com has been published to protect me from further abuse and to shed light your clients behaviour. It is my opinion that your clients have personality disorders that are dangerous and menacing and it is in the public interest to be aware of their behaviour for their own protection. While your clients may not understand the content however I believe it to be true and correct to the best of my knowledge, it is in line with professional Psychiatrist opinions and these are included on the web page, therefore I do not believe the publications to be defamatory. While I can understand your clients could feel distressed by having their actions made public, I deny that it is intended to cause, or that it is causing serious harm to your clients, that it is menacing, that it is harassing, or offensive. Therefore I do not believe it could amount to cyber abuse.
As I have explained the website is for my protection and it is necessary for my health and well-being moving forwards, I have medical evidence that supports this. If your clients believe that parts of this publication are defamatory I am willing to make alterations to the publication. Please have your clients identify all parts of the publication they believe are defamatory, please identify the page and location and supply any documentation to support their allegation. All their requests will be considered.
I deny that any of my behaviours are an attempt to menace or harass your clients.
I deny that any of my actions were threatening on 13/10/2021 when I attended their property. Your clients have described this event once as “a simple conversation you had with your father” and again as “such a minor situation” in their email. I have provided Jimboomba police with my statement of the incident and it supports this version of the event.
I deny that any social media post or emails were sent for the purpose of defaming or harassing your clients. The social media post and emails were sent as a point of public safety and to protect myself from the abuse being perpetrated by your clients.
I deny that any of my emails with your client where repeated attempts to contact them. My emails were required for the purpose of resolving my company’s assets of which they still have possession of. The number of emails send was a direct result of your clients deliberate delaying tactics, and manipulation and coercion for the purpose of gaining a financial advantage.
I will not be attending the property at xxxxxxxxxxxxx rd xxxxxxxxx for my own safety. I have never unlawfully attended this property.
From the 13/10/2021 I have only ever emailed your client in regards to assets remaining on their property. Your client’s emailed replies were unreasonable, misleading, manipulative, and coercive, all in an attempt to gain financial advantage of a mentally and physically disabled person. Section 21 of the Completion and Consumer Act (Cth) makes it unlawful for your clients to engage in conduct that is unconscionable in the provision of, or acquisition or possible acquisition of, goods or services in the course of trade or commerce.
The remaining assets are the property of Elson Apiaries Pty ltd and I will be replying separately in regards to them.
Your clients have extensive knowledge of Queensland legal systems and have displayed their willingness to use it for family violence with a repertoire of coercive and controlling behaviours. Their manipulation and coercion is evident in their emails all for the purpose of withholding property, they have used property law to prevent me from accessing and retrieving assets, they have made false statements to Beenleigh police, and now this Vexatious litigation.
Your clients have manipulated the legal process to perpetrate family violence, to threaten, harass, intimidate, and exert control over me. I fearful for my safety with this level of calculated, dangerous, malevolent conduct.
Your clients have been ringing my friends and neighbours making defamatory statements. Your client has claimed that Jimboomba police rang him, warning him that I am dangerous and to stay away from me. He has claimed I am crazy and delusional and he is telling people they need to stay away from me for their own safety. From the responses I have received from my sibling it appears your clients have told them these same lies.
Your clients are aware that I am physically disabled from debilitating pain and mentally disabled suffering Autism, PTSD, Depression and Anxiety. Their continued abuse and phone calls have caused me a great amount of distress and hurt. Their deliberate actions, as per their first email, have prevented me having the support of my family. The long term success for anyone suffering Autism depends on their support network, friends and family. Your clients actions are intended to cause serious harm to my well-being, is menacing, harassing and offensive. I am fearful for my well-being and with their continued escalation I am fearful for my safety.
I am under the care of expert Doctors, Domestic abuse councillors, NDIS support workers, Psychologist and long term Psychiatrist. My psychiatrist has reported and I quote “There were no apparent signs of hallucinations, delusions, bizarre behaviours, or other indicators of the psychotic process” he goes on to say that he has not seen any signs of “Homicidal thoughts or intentions”.
I have contacted the Jimboomba police and they have denied making these comments about me to your client.
Your clients have had an extreme effect on my emotional and psychological well-being to the point that it is affecting my physical health, and they continue to do so. In the event that your clients do not immediately stop their defamatory remarks and phone calls they can anticipate further lawful action.
This may include, but is not limited to, serving your clients with a Concerns Notice pursuant of the Defamation Act 2005(Qld). I trust that this will not be necessary and that your clients will immediately stop these defamatory statements.
Your clients have a history of financial abuse of both myself and the people closest to them. Your clients were the trustee’s for a trust fund for which I was one of the beneficiaries. This trust was dissolved in secret without any documentation being provided to the beneficiaries as required. The explanation given was that xxxxxxxx bank just put the property in to your clients name. It would seem very unlikely that a bank would do such a thing without your clients knowledge, even so it would still be unethical and unlawful for your clients to benefit financially from such an error. Your clients are also currently under investigation for fraud, which I am aware they did commit.
I am very concerned about your client’s recent behaviour and the phone calls which I view as am attempt to menace and harass me, causing me further psychological harm.
I am very destressed by your clients threatening behaviour with continued attempts to separate me from the support I need, with the intention to cause me further harm. As they are aware I am physically and mentally disabled requiring NDIS support. I suffer depression, anxiety and PTSD in relation to your clients and this causes their actions to have a profound effect on my well-being, I also have other underlying heath conditions.
Accordingly, they are requested not to attend my property at xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Rd xxxxxxxxxx, Qld, 4280 under any circumstances.
The fear I have in regards with you clients is well documented with my treating doctors and the Jimboomba Police. It is a genuine fear that can be substantiated.
I do not believe that your clients fears are genuine and their behaviours are indicative of that conclusion.
Defamation matters are heard in an open court and all evidence is made public. Having this email marked “PRIVATE & CONFIDANTIAL” is indicative of legal systems abuse and only serves to provide the vail of secretly your clients require to continue their threatening, menacing and harassing behaviour towards me.
This email will be provided to police so as they can access the danger to my safety from this next level your clients have escalated this matter to. I feel very destressed and threatened as to what you clients will do next.
I believe that your clients are using Potts lawyers to further escalate this situation to abuse a physically and mentally disabled person for financial gain. I am fearful for my safety the more they continue with these known warning signs of dangerous domestic abuse.
I am fearful that they are attempting to remove my website so they can continue with further dangerous actions.
1. Request-no contact
As they are aware, I suffer documented server PTSD in relation to your clients, as well as depression, anxiety and other underlying health conditions. I feel intimidated, anxious and threatened for both my physical safety and mental well-being by your clients continued manipulative, coercive and threatening behaviours and their escalation of emotional, psychological, financial and now legal systems abuse.
Accordingly, I request that your clients do not communicate with me directly, or cause anyone else to contact me on their behalf, whether in person, electronically, or in writing.
In the event that your clients do contact me or cause others to contact me on their behalf, I will have no choice but to take further lawful action against your clients. 1. Request- Trust

31. Your clients were the trustee’s for a trust fund for which I was one of the beneficiaries. Your clients failed to disclose documentation of how this trust was dissolved to all beneficiaries. I request the original trust document and any supporting documentation, details on how the trust was dissolved.

Request- Email

32. I believe that your clients are using legal systems abuse to threaten, menace and harass me. This is being done to financially abuse me and cause psychological harm. If your clients are to continue with legal action I request that this email is sent again without the wording “Private & Confidential”.

Next Steps

33. I am hopeful that your clients will immediately cease their threating behaviour as I do not wish to take further lawful action against them.

34. To that end, I trust that your clients will respect my privacy and my request that they do not attend my property or try to contact me, whether directly or indirectly.

35. I also trust that your clients will cease all defamatory comments relating to myself immediately. That includes; that I am delusional; that I am crazy or psychotic; that I am dangerous.

36. I am very concerned to the extent your clients have been willing to go with their slanderous accusations that will easily be proven as defamatory. I am hopeful they will cease their abuse and takes steps to de-escalate this situation and comply with my reasonable request.

37. I recommend that your clients reconsider proceeding with this action as I do not believe it will result in the outcome they desire.

38. If you do feel your clients have fears please reassure them that my only intention is to prevent them from doing further harm to myself and to others.

39. All future correspondence in this matter will be made public knowledge for my safety and the safety of the public.

I again remind you that this is a known domestic and family violence situation and again ask that you and Potts Lawyers act ethically as to not further this abuse. Please make certain that all your clients claims are substantiated before you act on them.

Yours Faithfully

Edward Elson

NOTHING, their email was not sent again without the wording “Private and Confidential”. They did not provide details of the trust and how it was dissolved. They did not respond to further pages being added to this web site. Kay and Dave Elson sent their email to threaten, intimidate and coerce a mentally disabled person for the purpose of financial gain.

You believe what you have seen in the movies about Sociopaths and Narcissist and you are sure you would know one if you came across one. Nothing could be further from the truth. Qualified psychiatrist have lived with them and been abused by them for years before they realised who they really are. What chance does the average person have with no education on the subject. If you have been raised by one of these people you have been conditioned to believe that their actions and behaviours are normal.

Kay Elson has told this story to all her children and her grand children as she attributes it to her success in life. When she was in grade five her mother took her out of school to help with house work. In front of kay the school principal told her mother that she might as well take her out of school as she is never going to achieve anything. Kay tells how she used what that principal said to motivate her and she was determined to prove him and her mum wrong. That this event was a turning point in her life and it has motivated her right through her life.

What Kay does not realise is the story she has told over and over tells two stories. Of a young girl who’s mother and school principal told her she was not worth even sending to school. A young girl in a toxic situation where her mother thought so little of her. How she developed this one track mind to achieve some status with her life so she would be worthy of her mothers respect. How this one track mind left very little time for the development of proper emotions. The Sociopath is focused on herself and her achievements first and has little time for emotions. But she is happy to fake emotions if it will get her what she wants.

This matter will only be resolved in court as long as Kay Elson is running it. After all she feels happiness when others are suffering, why would she want to end it. The only thing better than people feeling sad is people feeling sad for her, and she is playing the victim to family and friends despite controlling every bit of this situation. Dave Elson is the only one who can resolve this in the best possible manner for everyone. He knows the law and he knows what the possible outcomes are if this matter proceeds any further.

I don’t hold much hope though. Narcissist’s can’t except their mistakes. I have tried offering the equipment under value to resolve this, with favorable payment terms they could afford, I have tried repeatedly to involve a mediator to resolve this issue. I have given them so much time to come to their senses. This is what they want, they have forced me into a corner with very few options available. This is not the way I wanted to handle this and I have done everything I can to avoid this outcome.

Further Emails

Contact Person: Edward Elson

Direct e-mail:

Our Ref: EE008

Your Ref: CAD:JPP:2200032

BY EMAIL;

Jason Papoutsis

Potts Lawyers

Gold Coast office

11/04/2022

Matter: Elson Apiaries v David and Selma Kay Elson trading as DJ & SK Elson

Further correspondence

Without prejudice offer to settle

In an effort to resolve this ongoing matter Elson Apiaries pty ltd is willing to purchase the disputed assets and then undertake the resale process themselves.
Forklift, Elson Apiaries pty ltd is willing to purchase the forklift from your clients for $2000.00. * The forklift will need to be returned to the good operating order it was left to your clients. *The condition of the forklift will need to be inspected by Edward Elson before purchase to assess condition. *Your clients will need to arrange a third party to attend inspection. Your clients will not be present on the property at the time of this inspection.
Extraction Plant, Elson Apiaries pty ltd is willing to purchase the extraction plant from your clients for $10,700.00. This offer is exactly double what your clients have spent on this machinery and it is double what they have offered to purchase this machine from Elson Apiaries pty ltd. Elson Apiaries pty ltd is no longer using this machinery, with Dave Elson’s frail health and pending retirement this extraction plant is more than double the size needed for DJ and SK Elson’s operation. This would be a good opportunity for them to downgrade to an extraction plant that is more suited to their operation. *The extraction plant will need to be in the good operating order it was left to your clients. *Your clients will leave the extraction plant in a clean condition ready for sale. *The condition of the extraction plant will need to be inspected by Edward Elson before purchase to assess condition. Your clients will need to arrange a third party to attend inspection. Your clients will not be present on the property at the time of this inspection. *Payment will be made after inspection. *Your clients will not have access to the extraction plant after this inspection. *Your clients will allow access to their property to a third party for the sale of the extraction plant and for its removal by the purchaser.
Your clients are reminded they have received invoices from Elson Apiaries pty ltd. These invoices are now overdue and interest is being applied. With an aim to resolve these outstanding amounts Elson Apiaries pty ltd is willing to waive interest charges if your clients make payment by 25 April 2022. I will attach a copy of these invoices.
The offer set out above is open for acceptance for fourteen (14) days after which it will expire. This offer is made pursuant to the principles in Calderbank v Calderbank [1984] Ch 290, that is, if it is not accepted and my client obtains an adjudication more advantageous than their offer, my client will rely upon the terms of this letter in support of a submission they pay my client’s legal costs on an indemnity basis.

Remaining Asset

6. Gurnie, your clients have agreed in writing to the sale of this gurnie to Elson Apiaries pty ltd and it is reflected in invoicing your clients have received. Due to the overdue amount outstanding by your clients Elson Apiaries pty ltd is again asking for written permission for a third party to collect this asset. If your clients do not respond to this request by 25 of April 2022 Elson Apiaries pty ltd will seek legal access to retrieve this assess.

Yours Faithfull

Edward Elson

NOTHING, despite offering 25% more than their offer for the forklift and 100% more than their offer for the extraction plant no response. If kay and Dave Elson are so confident that these assets are only worth what they have offered me for them, wouldn’t they jump on the opportunity to get so much more for them?

All assets owned by Elson Apiaries, that Kay Elson has given permission to remove, have been removed.